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Gumpei wrote:This isn't directly related to this case but moreso to your whole body of work, buuuuuut... I had an open prompt poem due in my creative writing class today and I decided to make a sestina (short version: 39-line poem consisting of six stanzas, each with six lines, in which the last words of the lines of the first stanza are rearranged as the line-ending words in all successive stanzas in a specific order with a concluding three-line envoi that utilizes all six words). Anyway, I based it on you, DWaM, with my words directly corresponding chronologically to your six biggest complete works, so I thought I'd share it:
Spoiler : With a Mask :
Will your dreams lead you anywhere by tomorrow?
Have the events finally formed a cascade
Or will your promises once again prove empty
Was it not enough to see the disappointment of your father
Are you really so content as to draw the curtain
Without daring to rustle the nest of the dragon

For too long there has been no movement from the dragon
Maybe it’s time you stopped waiting for tomorrow
And instead flung open the curtain
Even if you might lack a cascade
You may yet still see a smile on your father
When your promises no longer prove empty

Ready to show the world you’re no longer empty
Daring to run head-on into the lair of the dragon
Able to toss aside regret about your father
Looking forward to today instead of tomorrow
Saying to hell with the need for a cascade
And standing before a wide open curtain

No longer hiding behind a closed curtain
Seeking to fill your soul which was once empty
And realizing you were only ever held back by your cascade
You lock eyes with the dragon
Without worrying over what may come tomorrow
By knowing that this is about you, not your father

The sins of the children shall not be laid upon the father
For it is the children who will drop the curtain
And decide what lives on in their tomorrow
Casting aside the doubts that were ultimately empty
Gazing upon the sun rising over the fallen dragon
Understanding that this was your cascade

Some will call foul at you claiming this a cascade
But their voices will not matter to you, not even that of your father
Because, no matter what they can say, you slayed the dragon
And overcame your fear of the open curtain
Able to truthfully state your promises are no longer empty
Sleeping peacefully to awake in a new tomorrow

Even if your victory over the dragon is to be your only cascade
Tomorrow will be the day you at last see the smiling face of your father
And that alone will make the day you opened the curtain anything but empty
Spoiler : Complete structuralist literary critique concerning With a Mask :
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DWaM wrote:Some Creepy Guy Called "Father" Watches From the Shadows
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@Gumpei:

A bit late, but -- whoa, thanks! It's not often that I receive gifts like these, so I've copied it down for myself. I'll probably look at it whenever I decide to screw retirement again or something.
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make something even more crack dwam you know you wanna
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How did you do the Thought Route? With the text and all that?
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Oh right I'd already finished this a long time ago but forgot to ask this obvious question (thought the others will also have the same guess as mine)
Spoiler : :
Why did the phantom still stay in the police force in those 2 years? In DD's events, he'd already finished his business with the Moon Rock. So I still want to ask: why is he still in the police force? Why not just leave?
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OMG.

I as well DEMAND a flowchart of this case.

That was good. Really good.
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Former lurker here just to say...

This has undoubtedly been the best AAO case I've played. Ever.

That being said...
Spoiler : major spoilers :
Was anyone else smacking themselves when they learned Reichenbach's real name?

It was all there... right in front of us... "Besides, your hearing was never all that great, was it?"

Explains everything. Why he was okay with letting himself die as a ploy, his remarks to Short, etc...

Gotta thank my "examine everything except the important things" that let me examine Edgeworth's desk...
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I'd rather not have an outright answer for this, so...
Spoiler : Final Part :
I seem to be stuck on the third cross-examination, explaining why Kane must be the killer. I accidentally got the reason why it couldn't be Trucy, but I don't know why it couldn't have been Jupiter. Here are some ideas I've been playing around with:

What did Trucy did with The Woman and the Dragon? How did she smuggle the real one out? Where did she store it when impersonating Jupiter? What meeting did Kane and Trucy have after Kane stole the fake...?

How much time passed between the scream and the blackout? The timeline seems to be: Phoenix and Athena entered the lounge, then the first stab, the scream, all those subsequent stabs, Kane hiding the blanket and then entering the lounge, Jupiter's arrival, Marcus's arrival, blackout. Can you even fit that much stuff between Phoenix and Athena's arival and the blackout?
Under the Jupiter killer theory... Turn "Kane hiding the blanket" into "Jupiter hiding the blanket" and move Kane's entry into the lounge right after Phoenix and Athena's arrival. The timeline seems suspect, but I don't have anything solid to prove it.
But then, maybe Jupiter might have no reason to stick around the crime scene that long? Especially since it's a plot point that you'd have to already be in the hallway to hear Short's scream...
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So I went back and looked at the case again to see what the answer to that CE is, and...
Spoiler : :
you don't want something that proves it couldn't have been Jupiter, but something that suggests that the killer is Kane.
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Spoiler : :
Apollo already brought up "last person to enter the room" when I presented Athena's Testimony to the Trucy line, so I can assume it isn't that...

Does this one depend on any of the questions I asked above? Even after "solving" the previous parts, I still can't give a timeline of what happened, which may be the reason why I'm having so much trouble with this one.
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Enthalpy wrote:
Spoiler : :
Does this one depend on any of the questions I asked above? Even after "solving" the previous parts, I still can't give a timeline of what happened, which may be the reason why I'm having so much trouble with this one.
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Spoiler : Case Thoughts, obvious spoilers :
Oh...
My...
GOD.
I finished this case across 3 days and...
It was perfect.
Apart from a few typos, and other small things (sometimes you wouldn't get penalized when you should, etc.).
But hot damn....
It could've ended at the first plot twist, and that would be awesome, or the second, but no, turn after twist, my gasps of astonishment kept on coming....
I literally lost sleep the past few days thinking about this.
And that ENDING...
I never expected it would be them. Not once. Not even as a joke.
The set-up in the A.U where Phoenix fails is immaculate.
The character's attitude, the dark setting it gives...
I love it.
The difficulty was lovely- I was constantly stumped, but I never needed a walkthrough (not even for the final part-although it took me about half an hour- which I'm proud of.)
This was a beautiful reintroduction to AAO for me.
Is this going your final case?
I hope not.
I could spend HOURS gushing about this case, trust me, but I really want to play another case by yours.
Which I shall do now.
Spoiler : The end scene... :
Also, didn't expect the FINAL scene either. Had to read it twice to get it. Even when it's over this case surprises me...
That's what I get for liking Jupiter I guess.
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Post by Acid Rain »

Hey, just finished this case.
Spoiler : My two cents :
I enjoyed the case as a whole, but there was so many points made in part five that were just...flimsy, I guess? I kept getting the impression that the need to cover so much ground in terms of plot detracted from the actual impact and coherence of the plot points themselves. It's a shame, too, because part 4 set up all of the different facets of the case so well.
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I finished this case a couple days ago, and...
Spoiler : Here Be Spoilers! :
To be honest, I'm confused as to what you were going for. It was definitely a large case, but I couldn't tell what unified all of these disparate elements. A serial killer, a man behind the serial killer, accusing Grossberg, the killer being the judge as soon as we accuse him, the Phantom, Marrascaud, Jupiter actually being the killer, a theft/murder trial, then a theft trial, then another theft trial, then a murder trial which dealt with lots of other murders including another murder in the middle of it...

I can't even put my thoughts together when this is unclear.
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