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Re: [GK2][T][CE] Turnabout Curtain ○ 

Message par Sligneris » Mer Fév 13, 2013 10:43 pm

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Usually there is a space between floor and door. Would the keys fit in it in order to get them to the other side of the doors?
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Re: [GK2][T][CE] Turnabout Curtain ○ 

Message par DWaM » Mer Fév 13, 2013 10:57 pm

Too obvious. Of course not.
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Re: [GK2][T][CE] Turnabout Curtain ○ 

Message par kwando1313 » Mer Fév 13, 2013 10:59 pm

After all, all these doors are Umineko™ doors!




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Re: [GK2][T][CE] Turnabout Curtain ○ 

Message par Scarlet_black » Jeu Fév 14, 2013 12:50 am

Bah, fine.

Spoiler : Thought Process 2 :
It is highly probable that Mr. Black killed Ms. Yellow. She received a gun shot wound to the head and then after 8:10 up until the time of discovery. How do I know? Remember, that Black and Yellow's whereabouts were unknown to Green and Red at 8:20. And everyone was still alive at 8:10.

Who kills Mr. Black? and How does the key get into his pocket? and How does the door get locked? Simple. I think what happens is that Ms. Yellow poisons him at 7:10 and then later at 7:50, hides the poison in his room. Mr. Black is dying right now from the poison. So what happens. After he kills her and locks the door, he stashes the key in his pocket. Climbs out of her window. Climbs into his. And then perishes after closing the window.

The question then is. How does the window in Yellow's room close. Assuming that he's used a rope, he can attach a rope from the inside to pull the window down on it's weight. And then he can climb into his room to die.

Andddd still no dice :random: Whatthefrig?

WINDOWS CAN ONLY BE OPENED AND CLOSED FROM THE INSIDE.A HUMAN HAND MUST CLOSE THEM.

ARGHHHHH!!!.

Then another solution. Perhaps Black didn't use the windows at all, but used the vents. He climbed the vents back into his room and died.

(Do vents count as a secret passage? Orz...and still no dice, whatthefrig?


EDIT OMG OMG OMG

This could work.

Spoiler : Thought Process 3 :
The only way the locked room could be made is if Mr. Black shot Ms. Yellow and then climbed back into his room to die.

Black is poisoned at 7:10. He has only an hour to live. Black locks his door and opens the window. He climbs down. Goes back into the mansion and goes into Yellow's room. Takes a gun and shoots her. He then takes yellow's key, and replaces Black's key. Yellow's room is locked on the outside.

Then Black goes outside the mansion, climbs into his room and closes the window. However, it's too late for him. He dies with yellow's key in his pocket.

And still wrong. Dafuq? I thought this progression is perfectly logical...
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Re: [GK2][T][CE] Turnabout Curtain ○ 

Message par ventuswings » Jeu Fév 14, 2013 4:48 am

Scarlet_black a écrit :Bah, fine.

Spoiler : Thought Process 2 :
It is highly probable that Mr. Black killed Ms. Yellow. She received a gun shot wound to the head and then after 8:10 up until the time of discovery. How do I know? Remember, that Black and Yellow's whereabouts were unknown to Green and Red at 8:20. And everyone was still alive at 8:10.

Who kills Mr. Black? and How does the key get into his pocket? and How does the door get locked? Simple. I think what happens is that Ms. Yellow poisons him at 7:10 and then later at 7:50, hides the poison in his room. Mr. Black is dying right now from the poison. So what happens. After he kills her and locks the door, he stashes the key in his pocket. Climbs out of her window. Climbs into his. And then perishes after closing the window.

The question then is. How does the window in Yellow's room close. Assuming that he's used a rope, he can attach a rope from the inside to pull the window down on it's weight. And then he can climb into his room to die.

Andddd still no dice :random: Whatthefrig?

WINDOWS CAN ONLY BE OPENED AND CLOSED FROM THE INSIDE.A HUMAN HAND MUST CLOSE THEM.

ARGHHHHH!!!.

Then another solution. Perhaps Black didn't use the windows at all, but used the vents. He climbed the vents back into his room and died.

(Do vents count as a secret passage? Orz...and still no dice, whatthefrig?


EDIT OMG OMG OMG

This could work.

Spoiler : Thought Process 3 :
The only way the locked room could be made is if Mr. Black shot Ms. Yellow and then climbed back into his room to die.

Black is poisoned at 7:10. He has only an hour to live. Black locks his door and opens the window. He climbs down. Goes back into the mansion and goes into Yellow's room. Takes a gun and shoots her. He then takes yellow's key, and replaces Black's key. Yellow's room is locked on the outside.

Then Black goes outside the mansion, climbs into his room and closes the window. However, it's too late for him. He dies with yellow's key in his pocket.

And still wrong. Dafuq? I thought this progression is perfectly logical...

Spoiler : Thought Process 3 :
That solution conflicts with the red.
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Re: [GK2][T][CE] Turnabout Curtain ○ 

Message par Scarlet_black » Jeu Fév 14, 2013 5:14 am

Spoiler : Bahhh :
NOBODY CLIMBED OUT OF ANY WINDOWS - OR JUMPED, FOR THAT MATTER .


ARRRRGHHHH...

Okay. Round 4.

Spoiler : "Thought Process 4" :
I can amend thought process 3 to fit with the red.

The only way the locked room could be made is if Mr. Black shot Ms. Yellow and then climbed back into his room to die.

Black is poisoned at 7:10. He has only an hour to live.

Black locks his door and opens the window. He climbs down.
Black opens his window and locks his door from the outside. He then

Goes back into the mansion and goes into Yellow's room. Takes a gun and shoots her. He then takes yellow's key, and replaces Black's key. Yellow's room is locked on the outside.

Then Black goes outside the mansion, climbs into his room and closes the window. However, it's too late for him. He dies with yellow's key in his pocket.

And lets see. YESSSS!!!!!!!

Edit: I'm surprised my theory actually was the right one. It fit's to a T. O_O
Dernière édition par Scarlet_black le Jeu Fév 14, 2013 5:18 am, édité 2 fois.
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Re: [GK2][T][CE] Turnabout Curtain ○ 

Message par kwando1313 » Jeu Fév 14, 2013 5:15 am

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I reeeeeeeeeaaaaaally hope you haven't been mass refreshing on this... >_> It's not necessary to get it correct to pass this part.




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Re: [GK2][T][CE] Turnabout Curtain ○ 

Message par Scarlet_black » Jeu Fév 14, 2013 5:19 am

Hey. It was a challenging puzzle. And I thought that I would have lost out if I didn't figure this out. I'm kinda glad that the maker didn't give me the solution to it and allowed me to figure it out.
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Re: [GK2][T][CE] Turnabout Curtain ○ 

Message par ventuswings » Jeu Fév 14, 2013 5:39 am

It might be good idea to put the entire script of that puzzle on the OP if refreshing is such a problem; I copy pasted entire script ver batim before solving it but I can see how some might find it inconvenient. Or making point 5 more conspicuous, with the statement that actions taken in prologue won't affect the story, would help since that message is kinda buried where people who start playing wouldn't look.

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Spoiler : Prologue puzzle massive spoiler :
Really glad you solved the puzzle, that summary of yours with massive simplification regarding certain red was driving me crazy :P
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Re: [GK2][T][CE] Turnabout Curtain ○ 

Message par Scarlet_black » Jeu Fév 14, 2013 8:32 am

Btw, playing the first testimony right now. Holy...
DWaM, you've really outdone yourself :)
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Edit: Stuck on Promethus's testimony in Part 2.

I'm going to try and do a thought process for this now.

Spoiler : Thought Process :
Things putting me in doubt:

Before the murder: If Apollo is right, then being caught was actually a part of his plan. But if so, how do I prove it? If he did commit murder, then logically his plan should involve not being caught. But I think the idea is that he wants to take the fall for Shannon or some unknown third party.

Additionally, part of his plan was using the master key to jump off the balcony and that's why he couldn't escape (Remembered this btw). The problem is he was also stuck with the corpse and therefore, the bedroom key. Therefore, he could escape.

During the murder: How did he know it was Miles Edgeworth? I think Shannon told him it was some unspecified guest. Additionally, how could she come down after she was poisoned with the Inlestrigin? Did the effects take some time to implement themselves? Also, this gun thing seems really fishy to me. She was shot in the stomach which is not instantaneous.

Not only that, but the Inlestrigin in the teacup was about 50% of the maximum dose. Hardly the amount needed to achieve the stated effect.

After the murder: I find it highly unlikely that he stuffed the note into the victim's pocket. It just doesn't add up why he would do this. Additionally, I'm still wondering why he didn't take the bedroom key and unlock the balcony. Was it because he didn't know the function of the key or that he had no time?


Edit 2:
And...wow, I just solved it. :P

AND WOAH...
Spoiler : OMG and yet another Thought Process :
BLUE TRUTH BATTLEZ AGAINST EVIL APOLLO

Okay first off, given that we get a red text that says:

Apollo Justice shot Andrea Lure in a perfect locked room.

Is this impossible to win?

Secondly, I tried all the evidence for the first question that evil Apollo has. I'm trying to think, what problems does not having the bullet have now? Who or what should I present here?
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Re: [GK2][T][CE] Turnabout Curtain ○ 

Message par Enthalpy » Ven Fév 15, 2013 4:41 pm

Spoiler : Third Riddle Clarification :
When Shannon says that nobody jumped out of or climbed out of the windows, does that mean that no human being passed through them? When Shannon says that both of them were murdered, does that exclude suicide?
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Re: [GK2][T][CE] Turnabout Curtain ○ 

Message par Scarlet_black » Ven Fév 15, 2013 5:57 pm

Spoiler : To Enhalpy :
The first red means what it means:

Nobody jumped OUT of or climbed out of the windows


and yes

Murder excludes suicide
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Re: [GK2][T][CE] Turnabout Curtain ○ 

Message par Enthalpy » Ven Fév 15, 2013 6:02 pm

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From the perspective of the jumper, any jump is going to be out of the window, so prohibitions of jumping out of the windows would also prohibit jumping through the windows, which is what I believe you're trying to imply.

Also, I don't believe there was a "one room, one key" guarantee, but I may be mistaken.
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Re: [GK2][T][CE] Turnabout Curtain ○ 

Message par eighthbit » Ven Fév 15, 2013 6:05 pm

Spoiler : Puzzle 3 :
It doesn't actually have to mean that, the red truth can have multiple interpretations. Also, there's the fact that this is a locked room, so I assume that the inside refers to the inside of the room and the outside refers to the outside of the room, right?
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Re: [GK2][T][CE] Turnabout Curtain ○ 

Message par DeeYo » Ven Fév 15, 2013 6:07 pm

eighthbit a écrit :
Spoiler : Puzzle 3 :
It doesn't actually have to mean that, the red truth can have multiple interpretations. Also, there's the fact that this is a locked room, so I assume that the inside refers to the inside of the room and the outside refers to the outside of the room, right?

Spoiler : :
Congratulations, you understood what "inside" and "outside" means.
No person ever left the mansion, remember?
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