[T] The Empty Turnabout ●

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There's a few others like Turnabout Reversal and Turnabout Proxy, but most of the good trials are nominated on those lists. There's also a bunch of incomplete things that are supposed to be good, but I don't follow those. The only ones I know exist are in those threads, or are At Dawn's Break.
and Turnabout Higurashi this a still relevant funny joke here hahaha etc
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I would say...
-Stuff made by me, Blackrune, DWaM, Enthalpy, and/or FerdieLance
-Awarded/nominated trials
-Featured trials
-Case competition winners/entries
These are probably your best bets.
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I pretty much agree with BP, but add The Omniscient Game there. That's good too, though not AA-related at all.
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Thanks you all. I'll check those.
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Spoiler : Spoilers for Empty Turnabout/Substitution :
I would like to thank you and the people that assisted you into making such an awesome game such as this, DWaM. It was certainly mysterious and fun. I would like to comment that Athena's personality was weird, creepy and uncomfortable in a loony sort of way. She reminded me a lot of Rhea from Turnabout Substitution (was that on purpose?).
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You are right, Rhea! I remember that case. Was kind of buggy at the end, but overall it was a remarkable case.
Spoiler : SPOILERS for this trial, and Trunabout Substitution :
However, this psycho!Athena was quite overbold about who she really was, while Rhea did her best to hide it.
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Um, guys. Spoiler tags? ^_^"
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kwando1313 wrote:Um, guys. Spoiler tags? ^_^"
Hahaha, crap, didn't notice! Thanks for the heads up, post edited.
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Good case. I love the new judge's personality. It was worth it just for that. Kind of screwed myself over a little bit though. I played through part 1 a few months before starting part 2 and 3, so some of the contradictions that required me remembering testimony from part 1 got me a little confused.

I think I'm with the majority of the people here that didn't understand the ending. (I had the same problem with Turnabout Tomorrow, come to think of it. Maybe it's a DWaM think). Anyway, I'd love a little clarification.

EDIT: I have to know where you got Athena's theme. It's got this amazingly psychotic tone, and I'd love to know what it's original context was.
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Spoiler : Case Explanation :
Hmm can someone explain something about these plz:
- So Marston did shot the bullet, but did it hit Arts or it just flew out the balcony? And Art's traces of blood are just all of his fake death's preparation?
- And why did Marston not testify about the fact that Mary is the only one staying beside Arts after the shot? 100% sure he's not in part of this "preparation". Is it about protecting Mary? But of what?
Also can someone give me the music track list used in chapter 3?
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If it's alright, I'd like to ask for a hint of some kind. I'm trying to avoid turning to the walkthrough every time I make a stumble. So, here goes...
Spoiler : Spoilers for The Empty Turnabout, of course :
Apollo: (Because he knows "it" could be my greatest weapon in this situation!)

Erm... what IS it?


Okay, got that, but... everything else????? o.0

And a scenario that involves another killer... all I can think of is the butler and Athena (the Athena thing is for metagaming reasons; I mean, she has to come in at some point, right?). Couldn't the butler have used the master key to enter the room himself, or something? Or... Ian Arts had a twin?

Yeah, I'm grasping here. The whole thing has me completely boggled, honestly. Soooo... help please?
EDIT: It took awhile, but I managed to get it on my own. Sorry for any hassle! ^~^
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Spoiler : Brief thoughts with spoilers :
Astonishingly optimistic in the end given the tone of the case throughout. I believe Ferdielance referred to The Empty Turnabout seeming like a sort of practice run for Turnabouts of the Father -- I definitely see the parallels. The theme of Empty is rather similar to TotF in the end, thought it takes longer to get to it in the former than the latter.

Anyway. I'm trying to keep this short. The unusual framework of the case -- flowing from trial to flashbacks in investigations to Apollo's perspective to Phoenix's to Edgeworth's to Mary's to Athena's -- is used to powerful effect. While I do mentally take a point off for "Death Note style melodrama" (I stole that line from Ferdielance, if I recall correctly) it's not done to the point of breaking my own suspension of disbelief. And while the "locked room" is used as a sort of bludgeon early on in the case to the point that I got ticked off every time ANOTHER ridiculous thing was added to keep it locked, I got over it pretty easily. The locked room business was more a matter of my own tastes.

Not all the questions about the narrative were answered at the end -- but then again, not all of them needed to be. I still don't know who Mary was talking to in that flashback, but aside from that I feel very content with the narrative's conclusion.

As for the mystery, it's well-written in my opinion -- though some of the leaps of logic are a little hard to follow. What immediately comes to mind are some of the profile objections and the puzzle where Apollo has to explain that one of the witnesses MUST have seen Ian Arts's body despite Mary Adair's claims. Certainly not a perfectly crafted mystery -- nothing is, though I think Ferdielance had more to say about puzzle design -- but its extremely solid.

Basically, I liked it. Um... yeah(yeah, all you competition entrants have such a WONDERFUL review to look forward to from me. Not.)

Oh, and Psycho Cykes is my new favorite twist on a canon character. I mean, dang, it just works really well. And this is coming from someone who does NOT dislike Athena Cykes as a character (though she could've been introduced better...).

Oh, and awesome music too. Excellent choices in my opinion.
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Spoiler : :
Thanks for not making us defend Trucy. I wouldn't have done it, I would have skipped right past it with the walkthrough. And not because I don't believe that people makes mistakes (I do believe that, because it is 100% true), but because I believe that the current attitude of saying "eveybody makes mistakes" to justify increasingly worse things doesn't cut it at all whatsoever.
Alright, I'll bite. I'll do a play-by-play from Chapter 2 onwards, starting from the line
Spoiler : :
(...Something good NEEDS to come from Mr. Marston's testimony...)
Play-by-play:
Spoiler : :
*I sure hope so, this has been tough to move anything along thus far.
*Who is being referred to with "her"? CorruptMcGee Psyches?
*No idea why they looked past the body issue either, except that it may have been inconvenient to explain outright.
*Won't even let me press at all, huh? All right, I'll play your game.
*Changed so little? Do explain.
*"Show me a logical chain of events supported by evidence or get lost!" is not something that Edgeworth would say, I think. But it still made me chuckle.
*Press everything time!
*I had fun pressing everything.
*I'm going to try all of these options, thanks.
*Eh... not as funny as I expected.
*THEN YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU KILLED HIM, YOU DOOFUS!
*"a vital information" ought to be "vital information". No "a"s or "an"s before "information".
*HAHAHA! Gunshot wound being the result of natural causes! Good quip.
*It's "some semblance" not "some resemblance".
*Let him talk, Apollo!
*Is Apollo the killer? I don't know why I'm thinking that, but... hmm...
*Although I'm not the biggest fan of this judge, I do like his "cool kids" line. It's true, ballistic markings are brought up a lot.
*Hahaha. Very funny.
*We just told you why you corrupt hoyden.
*Clever. He took the case to throw her in prison where she belongs.
*Do I even want to press here? ... ... Yes.
*Ooh, good "Gotcha!" it really fits. He might as well have had a face zoom in at that moment. Well done.
*"does has a point" ought to be "does have a point"
*Ah, so Athena is one of those jaded cynic-types, huh? :|
*Yup. She is. She's the worst of that ilk. The kind that doesn't believe in anything. I wonder if she was just born that way or if she had some psychological trauma in her past in this canon?
*WOOT! YEAH! Go Apollo! WOO-HOO! I'm rooting for you, pal!
*I breaking out into my local dialect here, fellas. This is so passionate. Even if it might be accused of taking the jaded psychology fanatic and making a strawman out of them, I don't care. It's so true what Apollo is saying here. Go Apollo!
*Miss drunk saves the day, I see?
*Knew it. One thing leads to another. They shouldn't have let that alcohol thing go.
*I strongly believe that it is wrong to kill someone in any situation. I understand self defence, but... unless we're talking about something 100% completely accidental and non-direct (and even then, I still wonder about that...), no. Murder is never the answer. Nope.
*God's there for you Apollo, if you'll open up your heart to him.
*Ah, the old "for want of a nail, the kingdom was lost" deal, huh? I agree.
*This is so true. It really is. Good spiel.
*She deserves to be put in prison. If she murdered someone, then she murdered them. The answer is not murder. It never is.
*Do I have to have the drunkard upstart as my council. I object to this, your honour. They are clearly not good counsel considering their behaviour.
*Is Mary Adair a pun on "murder" somehow? Not that mare-dare sounds like "murder" exactly, but... I don't know. It could be a hidden pun somehow.
And that's the end of Part 2. I'll do Part 3 later.

EDIT: Part 3 play-by-play:
Spoiler : :
*Let's do this!
*I'm ignoring her thoughts here because I shouldn't know them.
*"found it way into the room" ought to have "its" not "it"
*Blah blah blah sociopath speaking blah blah blah blah. Not paying attention.
*She creeps us all out, your honour.
*Oh don't do this to me now, Apollo. Don't go cynic on me now.
*Saying "Good Night" to a murder in that fashion is ridiculous.
*...Oh. Was that it?
*Uh... I'd give it a 2.5/5 I guess. Maybe a 3/5.
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I have been loving the case so far. However, I've made the mistake of playing in V6 (just a personal preference), and for some reason, when you need to:
Spoiler : not a huge spoiler, mainly a bug report, but still :
examine the bombed courtroom, it just shows a black screen with nothing, and nothing I click works.
I do not know if this is a result of V6 instead of V5, I'm new to the AAO scene.

I think I'm going to look on this topic for strictly Chapter 2 spoilers so I don't have to wait for a solution, that was I can just start the Chapter 3 link and go from there.
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This is a v6 bug. So yes, I'm afraid you'll have to play this in v5 until that gets resolved.
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