Subetenomono no Naku Koro Ni (Voting Time!)
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Re: Subetenomono no Naku Koro Ni (When Everything Cries)
Then what would you suggest?
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Re: Subetenomono no Naku Koro Ni (When Everything Cries)
I've tried to be as fair and clear as I can with the discussion rules but if clarification on any of them is needed please tell me.
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Re: Subetenomono no Naku Koro Ni (When Everything Cries)
Kwando's first post seems to be an even bigger trollsmanship now that the rules have been added.
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Re: Subetenomono no Naku Koro Ni (When Everything Cries)
Yay~
But alas, that now comes to an end.
But alas, that now comes to an end.
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Re: Subetenomono no Naku Koro Ni (When Everything Cries)
At last. No more small bombs.
Let's celebrate!
Let's celebrate!
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Re: Subetenomono no Naku Koro Ni (When Everything Cries)
Time for me to unveil my medium bombs theoryupupupupupu~
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Re: Subetenomono no Naku Koro Ni (When Everything Cries)
Kuter Exxer is still valid
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Re: Subetenomono no Naku Koro Ni (When Everything Cries)
I miss the days when there were no rules...*sob*
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Kuter Exxer is actually Phoenix Wright.
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Re: Subetenomono no Naku Koro Ni (When Everything Cries)
The rules became necessary because people were taking the joke theories too far and it was clogging real discussion. I didn't want to have to force any on you but two specific people were ruining it for proper theories.
As far, the surviving theories are:
Eightbits Theory- Illusionary Channeling
Runes theory-Hypothetical Locks and the rigged mask
DWaMs theory-
If I missed any, please tell me.
As far, the surviving theories are:
Eightbits Theory- Illusionary Channeling
Runes theory-Hypothetical Locks and the rigged mask
DWaMs theory-
Spoiler : Long, hard to summarize theory :
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Re: Subetenomono no Naku Koro Ni (When Everything Cries)
ahaha.wav
Well, that's what you get for not including rules in the first place. >_>
Anywho, let me try and shoot some of these theories down... Going a bit light, buuuuuuut, I don't have much to work with, you see~
@DWaM: Since you were so adamant on using Knox against me~
Knox's 8th! It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented. There is no such evidence for makeup to be used in any trial for spirit channeling! Also, explain 3-3, where Mia is channeled right in front of Nick.
The detective is impartial. Phoenix Wright is the playable character, and thus is the detective for our intents and purposes, and he identified Mia's body as being dead. Therefore, Mia MUST be dead.
@eighthbit:
The data transfer in the second game's was achieved through the use of a cellphone. The reason why Maya didn't use this cellphone was her being unconscious. The reason for it not being found was due to Maya leaving it at the Big Berry Circus.
Knox's 8th: It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented. We are not presented Maya's cellphone in any shape, way, or form in 2-4. There is nothing to suggest that she even /has/ a cellphone in 2-4.
No detective's proclamation has been made!
Alternatively, Edgeworth could have been under an influence that he received from Phoenix while he met him in his hospital room! As, EP2 of Umineko shows, you cannot trust the detective's perspective while they're under any influence!
Battler was never proclaimed to be the detective in EPs 2-4, yet he obviously is the detective. In addition, Knox's 8th again. It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented.
GEEZE GAIZ STOP MAKING THEORIES WITH KNOX'S 8TH BEING BROKEN, JUST AS BAD AS MY JOKE THEORIES JEESH
Well, that's what you get for not including rules in the first place. >_>
Anywho, let me try and shoot some of these theories down... Going a bit light, buuuuuuut, I don't have much to work with, you see~
@DWaM: Since you were so adamant on using Knox against me~
Knox's 8th! It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented. There is no such evidence for makeup to be used in any trial for spirit channeling! Also, explain 3-3, where Mia is channeled right in front of Nick.
The detective is impartial. Phoenix Wright is the playable character, and thus is the detective for our intents and purposes, and he identified Mia's body as being dead. Therefore, Mia MUST be dead.
Van Dine's 13th. No secret societies are allowed. As shown in Umineko, more than 3 is an organization, therefore, Mystery Person X + Maya + Pearl = an organization.DWaM wrote:1. There is someone in the Kurain who is in on the scam and helped out Maya by pretending to be Pearl channeling Mia. I don't believe we ever explicity saw Peral in the process of channeling, after all.
@eighthbit:
The data transfer in the second game's was achieved through the use of a cellphone. The reason why Maya didn't use this cellphone was her being unconscious. The reason for it not being found was due to Maya leaving it at the Big Berry Circus.
Knox's 8th: It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented. We are not presented Maya's cellphone in any shape, way, or form in 2-4. There is nothing to suggest that she even /has/ a cellphone in 2-4.
No detective's proclamation has been made!
Alternatively, Edgeworth could have been under an influence that he received from Phoenix while he met him in his hospital room! As, EP2 of Umineko shows, you cannot trust the detective's perspective while they're under any influence!
Battler was never proclaimed to be the detective in EPs 2-4, yet he obviously is the detective. In addition, Knox's 8th again. It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented.
GEEZE GAIZ STOP MAKING THEORIES WITH KNOX'S 8TH BEING BROKEN, JUST AS BAD AS MY JOKE THEORIES JEESH
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Re: Subetenomono no Naku Koro Ni (When Everything Cries)
While I admit, it isn't a very strong theory, I have one point of rebuttal against your use of knox's 8 for the cell phone.
We see Maya's cell phone in the first game's second case, therefore we know it exists.
For a mystery to be solved, it only needs to use clues that are presented before the very end of the story.
Maya most likely still had her cell phone by the second game!
We see Maya's cell phone in the first game's second case, therefore we know it exists.
For a mystery to be solved, it only needs to use clues that are presented before the very end of the story.
Maya most likely still had her cell phone by the second game!
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Not presented in the second game. Players should be given equal knowledge and advantage for playing something which is not explicitly connected to previous games. This is shown by having a tutorial case in every game, as well as re-introducing Maya, something which would not need to be done unless they were expecting new readers to come into the story.enigma wrote:While I admit, it isn't a very strong theory, I have one point of rebuttal against your use of knox's 8 for the cell phone.
We see Maya's cell phone in the first game's second case, therefore we know it exists.
For a mystery to be solved, it only needs to use clues that are presented before the very end of the story.
Maya most likely still had her cell phone by the second game!
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Re: Subetenomono no Naku Koro Ni (When Everything Cries)
In the 5th game of Umineko, Battler uses a clue of the fourth game in his theory against Erika.
Expecting new readers to come into the story is not the same as making the story possible to solve for the new readers. It could merely mean an expected unnatural viewing pattern in some readers. For example, I played the games in order 4-AAI-3-1-2. It's possible to get the game's "truth" without reaching the hidden truth! The game is set to have the hidden truth discovered and found by readers of all of the games!
Expecting new readers to come into the story is not the same as making the story possible to solve for the new readers. It could merely mean an expected unnatural viewing pattern in some readers. For example, I played the games in order 4-AAI-3-1-2. It's possible to get the game's "truth" without reaching the hidden truth! The game is set to have the hidden truth discovered and found by readers of all of the games!