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Oh dear, is this going to turn into another Twilight thread incident?

Actually, I have to agree that I never liked 06 because of the plot.
It screwed up a lot of continuity with Blaze, one of my favorite characters. So she's from the future? But what about in Sonic Rush and Sonic Rush Adventure? In those games, she's from a different dimension, which makes things less confusing. Also, Silver isn't there and she never mentions him, so what?
I also didn't like how at the end, the events in the game never happened, which made me pretty mad.
Spoiler : Major Ghost Trick spoiler :
I know they did it in Ghost Trick, but that was the goal, not just a last-minute climax.
Okay, I'm done.
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BLAST! You spoiled Ghost Trick on me!
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LunchPolice wrote:You guys do realise that Commander Shepard is almost certainly trolling us, right?

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That's why I didn't bother with an actual counter-argument, anyway.
What I will argue against is some of what you guys said. I like that they try new things with Sonic, but they need to pick better ideas. There's nothing wrong with being bold, but the ideas they pick are often pretty meh. Also, it makes more sense to make the base gameplay good before moving on to gimmicks, and once you get to gimmicks you have to execute them properly.
It's story is not that new with the overused cliche of Aliens from space, not to mention time travel.
Sonic hasn't had much luck in those areas either aside from Colours. Riders 2, Shadow The Hedgehog and 06 ring a bell?
Sonic: A game focuses on the rival and has a dark and edgy attitude, with guns and cussing. Mario hasn't got a game with that attitude yet.
And that's a bad thing?!
Sonic: The infamous Sonic '06. It has a new idea, with the introduction of Silver. We're still waiting for an Italian plumber from far in the future with special powers.
Silver wasn't exactly the most original character I've ever seen, and the rest of the game's art direction and plot was terrible IMO.
Mario: Goes into space, space is nothing new, nothing else to say. NEXT!
The space thing was actually quite significant. Not that it hasn't been done before, but it was executed really well and creatively. You're barely even acknowledging it, and I think that's somewhat unfair.
Okay, name me a game where Mario becomes a were-wolf........ none? See my point?
Actually, no. Not to mention the Werehog doesn't even fit into Sonic - It plays like a different game - Not very good when people bought a Sonic game for Sonic gameplay. I think it had potential, but it seemed like it was just trying to make the game longer.
Indeed. :D Sonic has dabbled in almost all sorts of genres. Mario's game history is just repetitive.
Mario dabbles in extra genres in spin-off games so the people who want Mario gameplay get it for the main, hyped up titles. Mario keeps the experiments seperate. Whether or not this is a good thing is subjective, but it seems fair for people who buy Mario for Mario.

And no, I am definitely not agreeing with Commander Shepard. Anyone who has played both series can say they play completely differently. I understand that you guys were mostly just disagreeing with him anyway.

I was going to say more and explain myself a bit better, but I suddenly got distracted by this show I'm watching so bye!
Your not seing my point, I admit, the Sonic games have improved and developed their own unique gameplay, but I meant that the original Sonic the hedgehog was just a copy of Mario, it's not like I'm saying, SONIC THE HEDGEHOG ON THE XBOX AND PS3 IS THE SAME AS SUPER MARIO GALAXY, because it isn't.
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Hmmm. We're all being a tad bias against Mario. :P
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A successor!? I haven't even gotten the 3DS yet!!
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Commander Shepard wrote:
Your not seing my point, I admit, the Sonic games have improved and developed their own unique gameplay, but I meant that the original Sonic the hedgehog was just a copy of Mario
I don't even agree with that. Yes, they're both sidescrollers.
However, they don't play very similar at all. Sonic has completely different physics and generally feels very different. It's like saying Soul Calibur and Tekken play the same - while they have similarities, they feel completely unique from each other.
Hmmm. We're all being a tad bias against Mario. :P
I'm not. I like Mario :cry:
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Shadowsleuth wrote:Oh dear, is this going to turn into another Twilight thread incident?

Actually, I have to agree that I never liked 06 because of the plot.
It screwed up a lot of continuity with Blaze, one of my favorite characters. So she's from the future? But what about in Sonic Rush and Sonic Rush Adventure? In those games, she's from a different dimension, which makes things less confusing. Also, Silver isn't there and she never mentions him, so what?
I also didn't like how at the end, the events in the game never happened, which made me pretty mad.
I know they did it in Ghost Trick, but that was the goal, not just a last-minute climax.

Okay, I'm done.
And you had to shoehorn in an UNMARKED spoiler that just COMPLETELY ruined a game I was really looking forward to that had absolutely nothing to do with Sonic because...?

Thanks a lot. Y'know, for ruining the game for me and all... I really appreciate it.
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*Edgeworth-style bow* Of course. I apologize, good sir.
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It's alright. But PLEASE mark spoilers in the future. There's nothing I hate more than spoilers.
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I'm with you SuperGanondorf on the Ghost Trick part.
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Again, I apologize. I should have put in the spoiler tags. I'll make sure to do that in the future!
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LunchPolice wrote:
Commander Shepard wrote:
Your not seing my point, I admit, the Sonic games have improved and developed their own unique gameplay, but I meant that the original Sonic the hedgehog was just a copy of Mario
I don't even agree with that. Yes, they're both sidescrollers.
However, they don't play very similar at all. Sonic has completely different physics and generally feels very different. It's like saying Soul Calibur and Tekken play the same - while they have similarities, they feel completely unique from each other.
Hmmm. We're all being a tad bias against Mario. :P
I'm not. I like Mario :cry:
Again, your not reading it, THE ORIGINAL Sonic The Hedgehog was just a copy of Super Mario Bros.
09:48 - Garrus Vakarian <3 Parrie: Iggy, do you think that Sonic is just a clone of Mario?
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09:49 - Iggy<3 Parrie: I'm not sure if I even played any of his games for 5 minutes.
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You could really say that a lot of platformer games on the Mega Drive were copies of Mario. I guess Mickey Mania was a copy, too. :P
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I suppose under this logic, Streets Of Rage is a copy of Double Dragon.
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Commander Shepard wrote:Again, your not reading it, THE ORIGINAL Sonic The Hedgehog was just a copy of Super Mario Bros.
No, YOU'RE not reading it. The original Sonic the Hedgehog is NOT a copy the original Super Mario Bros. Read what LunchPolice said again.
LunchPolice wrote: I don't even agree with that. Yes, they're both sidescrollers.
However, they don't play very similar at all. Sonic has completely different physics and generally feels very different. It's like saying Soul Calibur and Tekken play the same - while they have similarities, they feel completely unique from each other.
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